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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160806665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160806665">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@WG-compiler-meta</span>! <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span> when you're around =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160806703" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160806703">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we'll start a bit late today and probably do a shorter meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807212">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807226" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807226">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>sorry can’t attend for now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807240">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hmm, we failed to make notes at the end of our last meeting I think.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807249">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>BTW, can I make a quick motion?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807265">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>We did it as we went in the paper doc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807269" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807269">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I propose that we move from a single NOTES.md file to <code>notes/date.md</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807275" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807275">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah, right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807297">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I’m fine with that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807300">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group-planning--AY7oI491k3Ku4aRCH_6D2BAZAg-09U5endyK7vaoQhaiQ7TI" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group-planning--AY7oI491k3Ku4aRCH_6D2BAZAg-09U5endyK7vaoQhaiQ7TI">paper doc</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807305" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807305">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we should probably still keep GH minutes, I'm finding it <em>very</em> nic to be able to refer and link to them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807315">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm already benefiting from our increased organization :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807370">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>but ok let's check in briefly on the action items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807412">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>so it looks like everythign is checked off by and large</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807422">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>but for two items:</p>
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<li>draft more specific proposal for journeypeople role and present to compiler team (me)</li>
<li>talk to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> (me)</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807423">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807442" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807442">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, I started some on the first point. I have the <a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Journeypeople--AZR7MwUPuDLjTdOI_Xc0LlD~Ag-9R3LG9ePN9UMHYJEd2vvD" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Journeypeople--AZR7MwUPuDLjTdOI_Xc0LlD~Ag-9R3LG9ePN9UMHYJEd2vvD">start of a proposal in this dropbox paper document</a>.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807462" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807462">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have open PRs for all but one of my tasks (which was already merged).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807465" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807465">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wound up in a more ambitious place than I expected. We probably shouldn't discuss the details here -- we can make a separate topic -- but I'm feeling good about it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807481" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807481">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  One thing I'd say is that you might want to consider that if you promote too many folks from journeypeople (why do we have so many names for "shepherd"?) to full members you'll get gridlock wrt. rfcbot</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807491">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>Of course it's your team <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807500">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>Didn’t get a chance to dig into other actionable things from the list though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807565" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807565">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> you will see that discussed on the paper, indeed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807587" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807587">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>the problem with the proposal -- but I think also the strength -- is that I think it doesn't work as well in isolation. But I think that's maybe ok.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807606">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway as I said let's not get into the details though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807626">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wanted to ask whether we should try adopting this sprint structure too :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807644" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807644">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in which case I would propose we do the "first sprint meeting" next week)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807656">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>sprint structure for WGs or for this WG?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807657">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I suppose we should just -- for this week at least -- try to pick a few logical follow-up tasks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807662" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807662">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
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<p>sprint structure for WGs or for this WG?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>this WG.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807675" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807675">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not ready yet to make proposals for all working groups.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807698" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807698">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>well let's see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807704">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing we have going on is organizing the github permissiosn</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807761" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807761">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I created <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/ks499vkmibnhurse#calendar" target="_blank" title="https://doodle.com/poll/ks499vkmibnhurse#calendar">a doodle poll</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807772" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807772">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I can add that to the list and check it off ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807773" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807773">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that's a work item</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807813" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807813">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I like the proposal. I think some of the names because I think they are misleading but otherwise I’m a fan. So long as the existing compiler team members are comfortable with the mentoring part of it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807831">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I like the proposal. I think some of the names because I think they are misleading but otherwise I’m a fan. So long as the existing compiler team members are comfortable with the mentoring part of it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>well that's the question isn't it :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807841" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807841">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I feel like if we're going to make this role, let's give it some real teeth</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807865">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>it does mean I think that we'll move people into it more slowly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807866">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that's ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807867">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>probably good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807874" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807874">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807925" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807925">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, you recall <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> that when we were discussing the GH permissiosn, I raised the ide that a "regular participant" of a WG might be distinct from a journeyperson?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807927" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807927">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn't know it then, but it fits well here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807929">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., "regular participant" might be someone who gets r+</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807936">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>and perhaps that is an early "rank"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807946" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807946">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., I think it's fine if there is someone who never wants to <em>commit</em> the time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807950">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>but does wnat to keep picking off bugs etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807955" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807955">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>we should make a spot for that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807957" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807957">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>makes sense to me; a shepherd would be someone who also can write mentoring instructions and such?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807960" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807960">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I see. A journeyperson is, in this proposal, much more of a path to full membership than a distinct tier.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807969" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807969">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, that's the idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807982" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807982">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>But wait wait :) let's hold off because I have a question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160807991" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160807991">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  did you reply to david or me?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808009">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>for the GH perms meeting, we need to "Prepare a “rough draft” of what compiler team needs to be able to do" -- <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> were you going to take a stab at that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808020" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808020">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess that what I wrote in that comment is maybe even enough</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808024">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808079" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808079">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span>  did you reply to david or me?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>sorry, that was replying to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> -- I'm not quite sure where the term "shepherd" came from, I don't think I used it in the document.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808084" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808084">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> journeyperson... whatever :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808096" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808096">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Wasn’t that the language team equivalent of journeyperson?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808097" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808097">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>yea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808109">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>That may be true but it's not quite the sense of the document.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808136" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808136">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808148">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> "that" = ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808167">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>"a shepherd would be someone who also can write mentoring instructions and such?"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808176">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808227" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808227">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>That is, I am proposing something rather more active</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808232" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808232">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically an <em>internship</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808245">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>there would be an assigned mentor and an ambitious task</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808297">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh I see, that seems rather different</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808299" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808299">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is another reason to have another tier that is more like what you described</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808311">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>there would be an assigned mentor and an ambitious task</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think we could be more general than "ambitious task" as there may not always be something large enough?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808325" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808325">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>because I think that mentors/tasks only come available every so often:)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808346" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808346">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I don't know that it has to be an "ambitious task", but it should be a commitment to participating in a bigger way than "fixing a bug"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808361">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>as there may not always be something large enough?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>seems unlikely per current trends ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808363" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808363">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>in particular I want to get past coding roles</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808371" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808371">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. is it desirable that big enough tasks being available is a bottleneck, or should the bottleneck be people that you feel are "ready" for journeypersonship? Or perhaps even people available to mentor, but that's unavoidable.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808461">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know. As <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> said, i'm not <strong>that</strong> worried. I anticipate mentors being the bottleneck more than tasks :)</p>



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<p>but that will change as we go!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808473" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808473">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's the other part of this, though, is we have to work out the responsibilities of a <strong>compiler team member</strong></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808486">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we probably want some form of member where you don't mentor folks, you just fix bugs and know a lot of stuff</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808492" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808492">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>and that's fine</p>



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<p>so long as we all know the expectations :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808518" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808518">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>you don't mentor folks</p>
</blockquote>
<p>in this structured way, I mean</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808520" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808520">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808522" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808522">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I really like the proposal, but I agree that we need to flesh out what each "tier" of this means. From one-off contributor, regular w/ r+ but not journeyperson, journeyperson to full member.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808529" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808529">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Bigger refactorings etc. also certainly qualify as "big tasks"; not just implementing some big language feature or some such</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808548">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Bigger refactorings etc. also certainly qualify as "big tasks"; not just implementing some big language feature or some such</p>
</blockquote>
<p>oh definitely!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808554">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>in fact, I think they are perhaps even better :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808580" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808580">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I will put "work on this proposal" again as a work item</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808627">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I'd be happy to collaborate of course</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808632">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>with feedback if nothing else</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808639" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808639">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I think there have already been a lot of great comments raised in this meeting, i'll haev to go back and look)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808648" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808648">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>what else is going on...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808655">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I saw <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> you had an open PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808666" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808666">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think for establishing an order of "sync meetings"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808678" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808678">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've got two from last week's meeting tasks.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808679" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808679">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>If possible, it would be nice if the WG-Meta could also help out some more with T-Lang WGs and stuff</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808697">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>don't get me wrong, the templates and stuff are already great</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808791" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808791">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> the future-incompat stuff <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/future-incompat.20planning" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/future-incompat.20planning">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/future-incompat.20planning</a> seems like a good thing for next week?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808817" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808817">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>If possible, it would be nice if the WG-Meta could also help out some more with T-Lang WGs and stuff</p>
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<p>yes I wanted to raise this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808821" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808821">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've had some ideas for how to organize the lang team meetings and such</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808832">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>(which are also relevant to compiler working groups in some cases)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808843" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808843">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>and of course we have working groups like traits that straddle the lines</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808847" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808847">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>it feels like the meta is another such group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808848" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808848">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>( <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> btw... we have the t-lang mtg in 26 min? DST is confusing...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808870" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808870">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>correct</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808874" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808874">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>both parts are correct :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808879" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808879">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I hope that works for you</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808882" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808882">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I hate this part of the year</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808891" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808891">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess given the preponderance of Europeans, maybe we should tie everything to Paris or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808908">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  oh sure; I just need to go and wash my face and other preparations :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808914" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808914">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>EU is doing away with DST, so just go with UTC. (<a href="https://www.dw.com/en/european-parliament-set-to-end-eu-wide-daylight-saving/a-47775317?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf" target="_blank" title="https://www.dw.com/en/european-parliament-set-to-end-eu-wide-daylight-saving/a-47775317?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf">I think I saw this confirmed recently</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808965" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808965">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, once that happens, I would consider it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160808977" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160808977">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>until then, we had this discussion once and I don't want to have it again :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809010">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> can I put you down for planning the future incompat meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809014">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>this mostly means creating a doodle poll etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809015">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>or finding a time for it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809020" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809020">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>whatever it takes :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809056" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809056">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> seems fine; I'll try to remember ^^</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809077" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809077">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
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<p>EU is doing away with DST, so just go with UTC. (<a href="https://www.dw.com/en/european-parliament-set-to-end-eu-wide-daylight-saving/a-47775317?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf" target="_blank" title="https://www.dw.com/en/european-parliament-set-to-end-eu-wide-daylight-saving/a-47775317?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf">I think I saw this confirmed recently</a>)</p>
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<p>so actually locking to Athens would just handle this naturally, wouldn't it? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809138" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809138">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., if the change is in 2021...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809149" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809149">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>...until then it would just be awkward for us US folk</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809157" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809157">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is what we deserve for having changed the date that DST change happens anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809166" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809166">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>(although I guess maybe it saves energy...? or something)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.14/near/160809189" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E14.html#160809189">(Mar 14 2019 at 18:39)</a>:</h4>
<p><em>anyway</em>, ok, good meeting I guess? thanks all &lt;3</p>



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